Re: [pf] Kaleopono back on list; David's efforts.

by David MacClement

16 December 2000 08:33 UTC

At 12:17 15/12/2000 -0800, Kaleopono wrote:
>...  These posts were mostly forwards of news clips similar to those I
have usually sent in the past, some with brief comments, but there was also
a piece on brainwashing that took some time to write.
>  I want feedback from the rest of you.  Should I repost the stuff I sent
that didn't get through?  Or just forget about it?
>
**  Your choice (of what to do). Now it's several days later it'll be more
obvious to you which ones we would appreciate your sending to the list. I
have to admit I read very few, but those few make it "worth it".


>Also at the Topica website, I checked my registration ... error message
appear that my user account had been disabled by the list manager!
> ... Tom Gray ... did not freeze me out.  The change was unilaterally
Topica's. ... other Positive Futures list members have been frozen out with
no warning in the past.  I have asked Topica tech support to get to the
bottom of this and do whatever is necessary to make certain that no list
member is ever again dropped without warning and without consent.
>

At 13:24 15/12/2000 -0800, Priscilla wrote:
>I would like to see them be more accountable and reasonable when these
things happen.
> I'm on several other lists and this kind of thing is unheard of on those
lists.
>

**  This is what I said in response to Topica's only acknowledgement that I
"was having trouble" (there was no response to this) :-
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At 09:57 1/12/2000 -0800, Topica wrote:
>Hi David,
>Our records show that your address is actively subscribed to two lists. 
>deep-ecology@igc.topica.com 
>positive-futures@igc.topica.com
>
>If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to 
>contact us again.
>
>G e l s e y      Customer Support Gal
>

**  I didn't make myself clear.
    Yes, I re-subscribed (after first cancelling), so your records /would/
show what you've said.

**  In my note you responded to (and thank you for that), I had said:
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>· This tells me that _you_ have to _fix_ things so that it 
>doesn't continue to happen.
> ...
>· I want to know _why_ I have been cut off twice in FOUR 
>days!
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**  Here is the sequence (it happened earlier in the year as well) :-

(1) a day or more goes by with nothing from the Positive Futures list, when
usually there is an average of 75 kB of mail per day.

(2) I try to post a letter (I usually post two or more times a week), but
get an "error message" like:
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To: David MacClement <davd@ihug.co.nz>
From: Natasha <support@get.topica.com>
Subject: Your recent message to Topica.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:21:49 -0800

You recently sent a message,

Luna's been slashed.

to positive-futures.  This is a restricted list, which means that only
subscribers of the list can post to it.  Our records indicate that you
are not a member of the list.
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(3) I try to subscribe, but get the un-explainable message:

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To: davd@ihug.co.nz
From: Topica Support <support@get.topica.com>
Subject: Your request to positive-futures@igc.topica.com                
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:33:19 -0800

You recently tried to subscribe to the positive-futures email
list, but our trusty computers say you're already subscribed.
You may already be subscribed with another email address.
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(4) Without changing anything (i.e. continuing to use: davd@ihug.co.nz as
my return address), I un-subscribe - all of these actions by e-mail - then
re-subscribe after getting the acknowledgement:
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Subject: Goodbye from 'positive-futures'                
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:44:20 -0800
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(5) After waiting for the acknowledgement of my subscribing, I post the
letter I started to 10 minutes before; it does appear with all the others
that now come in.


**  Now, if this happened when Topica was doing some up-grading of hardware
(or software) I might be able to accept it, but when it happens twice in 4
days (just after: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:20:16 -0800, and just after: Tue, 28
Nov 2000 17:07:52 -0800), there's something so wrong with /your/ Topica
system that some expert needs to be brought in to investigate.

I am therefore requesting (politely, this time) an answer to my question:

>· I want to know _why_ I have been cut off twice in 4 days!
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**  As I said; no response. That was sent at 07:43 2/12/2000 +1300.

David. 
(David MacClement) davd@ihug.co.nz 
http://www.geocities.com/davdd.geo/index.html#top
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