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RE: [pf] Christianity
by Fitzsimmons, Diane
21 November 2000 19:12 UTC

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I want to thank Molly and David for being so willing to discuss their world
viewpoints.  I find them beautiful and meaningful, even though they don't
agree with my own.

I'm not very good at expressing in words what I believe Molly would call the
mystery.  But the point of faith is that you can't prove what it is you have
faith in.  I guess some would say that's mighty convenient.

Diane

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Molly Williams [mailto:mmw@waveinter.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:45 PM
> To: davidnh@visto.com
> Cc: positive-futures@igc.topica.com
> Subject: Re: [pf] Christianity
> 
> 
> 
> David wrote:
> 
> > But Molly, isn't belief only relevant when we can't prove 
> that something
> > exists? If we could prove it, it'd be a fact. We don't say 
> we "believe"
> > that water can exist in three different states, ice, 
> liquid, and steam,
> > we have determined its truth and so we say we "know" it. Belief can
> > certainly be embracing the mystery, but faith is only 
> necessary because
> > we have not been able to prove that God exists. Indeed, 
> that's why it
> > was invented.
> > 
> > If God were a fact, would the mystery disappear?
> 
> But David :-), Tom (my husband) is a fact and he's a mystery. For that
> matter (so to speak), water is a fact and I see it as 
> mysterious as well
> -- that's one of its appeals for me. A thing can be known to exist and
> still be a mystery.
> 
> I don't want to argue philosophy or religion with you (or 
> anyone else).
> I don't believe spirit or deep wisdom or the soul, or 
> whatever you want
> to call it, is amendable to words and logic. Matter and spirit exist
> differently and require different languages, just as science 
> and art do.
> That's my experience, anyway. 
> 
> ~ Molly